[Mari]

Arguments for or against? Post below!

[Deleted]

I don't care for the game, but it would fit with the site - and I wouldn't want to preclude the possibility of featuring its characters specifically to dunk on.

[PolarStarQuote]

YIIK Honestly makes me SIIK (high humor.)

Anyways, I am against YIIK's Appability, as its a story that doesnt take itself very seriously with a Jumbled up timeline that makes no sense, Stuff like "The Golden Alpaca" Which, isnt even on Earthbound levels of Random Zaniness, its just plain awkward, and is downright agonizing and hate filled with its use of The Suicide of a Real Girl as a Major Plot Point in the story, having her as a fictionalized character who is in a self-sustained dimension of torment for her actions.

[Maverick Hunter Zero]

I'm giving this a no, mainly because of it not being a good thing to incorporate into this RP.

[Jade Callisto]

We don't need lazy writing on a site where we have really good writing. I say No to this.

[Therider]

Oh hey! I actually know this game from the Discord! Think quote or someone shared a video of a boss fight months ago, and it looked super neat.

To be fair, if we are talking about suicide as a massive turn off, Persona should be cut from the site, especially Persona 3 (which involves the user to literally shoot themselves to activate their power) and Persona 5 (which involves a girl commiting suicide as a major plot point.) The Golden Alpaca is actually well within the possibilty of Earthbound; I mean, does a shiny mammal match up to the zany weirdness that is a pile of barf brought to life with a honey addiction, or a tree that BLOWS UP when you fight it? Not mention a fly that travels through time to warn a seemingly random kid that he needs to save the world.

The characters are cool, they have personalities, and frankly, isn't that the most important part of a Roleplaying Forum? We're not apping the story, we're apping characters who come from these stories.

And honestly, people who said that we don't need sloppy writing? The only sloppy writing we'll have on the site is our own, because like I said, we're NOT APPING THE STORY. We're apping characters that we can flesh out, give relationships, make them more human and believable and test our skills as writers. You ban this game? I won't complain, or be too upset about this game being let go. I will be upset that we had a chance for a talented writer to take some modern people, throw them into a word outside their piss poor writers, and make them good. I will be upset that a good challenge would have been taken away. 

My vote is yes.

[Mari]

Apr 21, 2019 8:58:21 GMT -8 PolarStarQuote said:

and is downright agonizing and hate filled with its use of The Suicide of a Real Girl as a Major Plot Point in the story, having her as a fictionalized character who is in a self-sustained dimension of torment for her actions.

Woah. I didn't really grasp that she was a real person when you were ranting about this game in the chat. I remember hearing about this girl, now that I read up who the character is based on. It occurs to me that we on the site could never write about the deaths of real people the way this game does. Even ignoring the obvious ethical issues with using a real person's death for entertainment, this would run afoul of our rules against messing with the fourth wall. Right now we have just enough leniency to allow for meta jokes. Y'know, 4th wall based humor. But we ask people to keep it tame. I don't think anyone would argue that referencing a real person's death qualifies as a joke, so in my eyes--how could we legalize this game when by its own lore, it violates the site's rules? Would we have to ban this specific character, or force people to play YIIK characters in an inaccurate manner to tread around this?

[PolarStarQuote]

I'd like to add that, in my original statement, it isnt the very subject of Suicide that I dislike about YIIK, Its the incredibly distasteful use of a real life tragedy for a reference (in which there twitter also followed the Twitter account of the girl who committed said suicide as well???) That makes me want to not acknowledge it.

As well, There are plenty of other Serieses you can pull from if you want to make a modern character like YIIK's. Earthbound, Persona, Deltarune/Undertale-- Theres alot of options, is what I mean. Theres nothing that is lost too awful much by dropping a game like YIIK.

[PolarStarQuote]

Also, If YIIK is approved...I mean, In game, The Girl is a fictionalized character 'based' on the event, Not the girl herself, Granted. But, Its still pretty distasteful to represent a real life suicide with a Character entirely themed around it.

So, we Technically wouldnt have to ban that, Since it's a fictional character that is based on the tragedy instead of the girl herself, But is that really any better?

[Deleted]

I'm for just banning Sammie (The name of the girl) That's the only thing I have against YIIK other then it tries so hard to be Earthbound. Like Rider said, we can improve on the character's that the writers of the game have failed to do and everything else in the game looks like it could fit on a rp site like this one. It even matches the requirements too.

We already had people play character's from poor games (Ninjabread Man for example) so I think despite the game being bad and everything involving Sammie, I don't see why other character's of YIIK can't be on this site.

Update: Sorry if I get information regarding Sammie wrong, I haven't played YIIK so I don't know what happens to her other then the elevator scene.

[Therider]

That's the thing! It's not the real person in the game. The girl in question's death is modeled off of the death of a real person, this is true, but the character is entirely fictional, and her "death" is what propels these characters on their quest.

(My information on this comes from here: link)

From my understanding of this article, it as a homage and an inspiration, which doesn't make it better, and there's enough parallel universe plot going around that playing them without this as part of their major story line is not that much of a hassle if I understand correctly. Besides, the game ends with the original party dead and an alternate universe version of the party had to step up for the finale. So I don't see it being that much of an issue.

[Mari]

I don't personally consider Sammie a very honest attempt at distancing the character from the real person. They basically parody the video recording of her last moments leading up to her death. If they were merely inspired by it, they would just be using the themes that lead to her death rather than the actual events down to the detail. If a member ever tried to do something similar, it would be liable to make others uncomfortable beyond the scope of our current content rating. We don't really ask people to be comfortable with people roleplaying about the deaths of real people when they join the site, y'know?

However, if we can agree that banning Sammie specifically is an acceptable compromise, I think I could be convinced to reconsider the no vote I was considering.

[Mari]

Ahehehem!

The suspect test has concluded! However, because the poll could not account for the nuances of this particular discussion, in particular the idea of just banning Sammie rather than the entire series, the staff converged to get opinions from most of the people who voted to ban the series and...

We concluded with a majority vote that banning Sammie was a fair compromise! The series will therefore remain unbanned, however we will be putting up a blanket ban on any parodies of a real life person that was a victim of a tragedy, which will ban Sammie as she is a parody of a suicide victim.