[Mr. Game & Watch]

Arguments for or against? Post below!

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Honestly, yes. I know what you're thinking

Phreeze you've lost your mind. Yes I have, but lemme explain.

Assassin's Creed is an alternate history take, but also has fantastical elements such as the fact that these worlds between the 'real world' and those simulated in the machine (I'm no expert, haven't played much, can't tell you the name off the top of my head, will edit if someone tells me) are vastly different. Plus, there's three major points of contention about how reality in Assassin's Creed is different not counting the Apple of Eden, because everyone knows that one. (Don't know that one? Read down below, I'll get it. I marked it with a *)

Bullets, Jumping, and Recoil.

Firstly, anyone who played the classic Assassin's Creed II knows how leaps of faith and recoil work in the game, which, even by canon is absolutely nonexistent. Secondly, if there's a world out there where hay can stop impact from multi story jumps I want to find it, because that'd basically be hay-armor is invincible.

Second and third of all, bullets and recoil. Any musket or gun in Assassin's Creed shoots like Fable. Perfectly accurate and pinpoint sniper levels. Actual muskets and arm-mounted guns would likely break an assassin's arm, if not fire incredibly off. Bullets basically are wet noodles, as several important characters can survive the fatal musketball shot and live in cutscenes. In the time, getting your arm broken was basically a death sentence during certain portions of actual history.

Now for the Apple.* (You're welcome)
Basically, the Apple of Eden is the Assassin's Creed Chaos Emerald, but there's only one so more like the Master Emerdood. It's a weapon and a codex of the Isu, an advanced super civilization that created mankind a long time ago, before history. It gives godlike powers and information to anyone who can activate it, and the Templars are seeking to use it to kill the Assassins and Vice-Versa.

Now tell me the game's realistic and too close to reality.

[KashKey]

As Phreeze said, the AC games are freaking *stupid.* While I don't personally LIKE the series, I fully acknowledge that it is an absolutely ridiculous mess.

[Mari]

Should we allow Call of Duty because the games unrealistically don't show the several minutes at minimum it takes for people to die after being shot? Does the lack of dying screams filling the air at all times mean the series is a good fit for the site?

Assassin's Creed is still very much a simulation of reality, inaccurate physics aside. I don't get the impression it has distanced itself from reality enough to evade a firm no from me.

[Mr. Game & Watch]

While the Ban List was made to replace the Tone Clause that doesn’t necessarily mean that a series should be legal because it would have passed the Tone Clause.

The major issue I take with the series is a matter of outside of the assassins, most of the characters from those games are people that existed in the real world, thus there’s not exactly much there to utilize in making a character to app for the site. It’s a similar reason as to why I think Civilization is a franchise to put on the Ban List, though to a lesser extent. Whether Assassin’s Creed makes it onto the Ban List or not, I don’t expect people will be clamoring to play as a character from that franchise any time in the near future.

And yes, I am aware of the future setting as well, but that doesn’t get nearly as much attention as the main portion of the game and again, there’s not a whole lot to work with from that portion of the game either.

[Deleted]

I would like to make a small point here. The whole reason the group that descended from the assassins is using the machine to simulate memories is to locate the Apple of Eden. It’s not just an isolated event, it’s the main focus of the game, and to that point, there’s a serious shift with the real world characters (the ones from history) that defy their depictions. To this point, I’d say that no, GW, these aren’t actually the same historical figures we know. I’m not a history buff, but I’m fairly certain Michaelangelo didn’t invent the wrist-gun, nor were templars existent beyond the crusades. I’ve been playing the AC series again, and I’ve been engrossing myself in the lore, and the more I look, the more it reminds me of the same issues that surrounded Payday 2. It has a gross misrepresentation that paints it to be something entirely different on the surface.

[Mr. Game & Watch]

I have played the first two games in the series, I have friends that love the series (at least the Ezio trilogy) and told me plenty about the series, and I've watched the dykg videos on the series countless times. I am aware of the lore.

The historical figures in those games do not change enough for me to be comfortable with giving the entirety of the series leeway. I would be fine with a complex ban to where the assassins are still appable, but everything else is a bit questionable. For instance, the Civ depiction of Gandhi is vastly different from the real world one, that doesn't mean I'm interested in someone playing a warmongering Gandhi on the site. It would make for a funny April Fools joke, but as a real app, not really.

That said, if this series is on the ban list and someone in the future is really interested in playing Ezio or someone like that, I'm open for that discussion and we can make another suspect test, in the same fashion that we worked out Payday. It is a matter of covering our bases for things we don't want, that being real world people that have no business crossing over with video game characters.

And I know someone is going to point this out; Nobunaga as a Pokemon trainer is enough of a departure from the real world figure for me to let that slide. It is more than a couple degrees of separation.